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Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.26 17:29:00 -
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Hesser Mech wrote:ShipToaster wrote:C0SMIC GIRL wrote:How is war dec avoiding not an exploit ? Money. It is all to do with new player retention. CCP believe that veterans will never unsub. Or they realize that at some point veterans are going to unsub thus needing new players to fill the gaps. If there is a new pilot and he cant join a corp without 50mil sp toons shooting at him does he keep playing? Probably not. If it's not just easy kills and griefing you are looking for and actually just the small gang pvp like the OP says he is looking for. Why not make the argument that war decs be a accept/decline situation. If they decline you dont get charged the price of the dec. Thus making dec shields entirely useless, corps that can not defend themselves have a out, and you know the ones that accept are going to make a effort to fight back. Now you have all the small gang pvp you want and better more competitive pvp without the lost isk from corps using dec shields on you. I don't think many making the exploit argument are going to like this idea though since its not competitive pvp they are actually looking for in high sec war decs.
Have players left EVE because of High Sec war decs they couldn't handle? Sure, but EVE maintained a population growth without allowing players to avoid decs like this. High Sec is safe enough as it is. No one is entitled to a player corp just by having a sub. You have to work to keep things intact. If you can't handle it, there's always the NPC corp. |
Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:33:00 -
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Hesser Mech wrote:Plus 1 wrote:Hesser Mech wrote:ShipToaster wrote:C0SMIC GIRL wrote:How is war dec avoiding not an exploit ? Money. It is all to do with new player retention. CCP believe that veterans will never unsub. Or they realize that at some point veterans are going to unsub thus needing new players to fill the gaps. If there is a new pilot and he cant join a corp without 50mil sp toons shooting at him does he keep playing? Probably not. If it's not just easy kills and griefing you are looking for and actually just the small gang pvp like the OP says he is looking for. Why not make the argument that war decs be a accept/decline situation. If they decline you dont get charged the price of the dec. Thus making dec shields entirely useless, corps that can not defend themselves have a out, and you know the ones that accept are going to make a effort to fight back. Now you have all the small gang pvp you want and better more competitive pvp without the lost isk from corps using dec shields on you. I don't think many making the exploit argument are going to like this idea though since its not competitive pvp they are actually looking for in high sec war decs. Have players left EVE because of High Sec war decs they couldn't handle? Sure, but EVE maintained a population growth without allowing players to avoid decs like this. High Sec is safe enough as it is. No one is entitled to a player corp just by having a sub. You have to work to keep things intact. If you can't handle it, there's always the NPC corp. By the same logic having a sub does not entitle you to provide someone with a bad gaming experience or force them to play the way you want them to. There a a ton of ways you can play EVE and they don't all involve pvp. I know I cant say this about all corps but the large majority of high sec war dec corps dont really want pvp they just want to one shot someone so they can say "U mad bro" or something else you might expect from a 2 yo that cant form complete words yet. It really is just sad that so many out there get their rocks off by providing a unpleasant gaming experience to others.
War decs don't force people to play the way the deccer wants. There are different ways of dealing with them or avoiding them in the first place. How the deccee deals with it is still their choice.
You missed the most important part of my post: EVE has made it where it is by being the opposite of the way you seem to want it to be. |
Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:04:00 -
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Buruk Utama wrote:Plus 1 wrote:
War decs don't force people to play the way the deccer wants. There are different ways of dealing with them or avoiding them in the first place. How the deccee deals with it is still their choice.
You missed the most important part of my post: EVE has made it where it is by being the opposite of the way you seem to want it to be.
So how the deccee deals with it is their choice and if they chose to use an alliance to nullify the war it is their choice yet this thread and its supporters are crying for the exact opposite to be true. You claim you aren't trying to make the targets play eve your way yet you are trying your damndest to ensure the only paths avaiable to the war target is paying you to go away or go to an npc corp. You cannot stand that there is a valid and useful way past your harassment which allows the war target to continue on enjoying eve the way they want to enjoy it. Also by "you" I mean the OP and his supporters.
This has been an exploit until, apparently, now. |
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Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:06:00 -
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Hesser Mech wrote:Plus 1 wrote:War decs don't force people to play the way the deccer wants. There are different ways of dealing with them or avoiding them in the first place. How the deccee deals with it is still their choice.
You missed the most important part of my post: EVE has made it where it is by being the opposite of the way you seem to want it to be. Well the entire origin of the thread is to take away one of the options the decced corp has for dodging a war. So really everything you are using to defend your stance seems to contradict what you are actually defending. By saying " How the deccee deals with it is still their choice" but being in support of limiting those choices really doesn't go with any point you are in support of. Unless by choice you mean a limited number of choices all of which I decide is acceptable for someone else to make. Everyone always talks about they like EVE because the get to be pirates and its not policed liked other MMO's but then as soon as the defenseless come up with a way to use the system to defend themselves then its a exploit and how dare baby seals find a way not to get clubbed.
That's exactly what you want taken away. With "dec shielding," it is policed almost as much as other MMOs because it makes it so easy to be so much safer.
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